Grok rhymes with "crock" and I think most of us now how that sentence ends. I fear the more we insert "artificial" in front of intelligence, the dumber we get. Human intelligence isn't perfect and never has been, but we do have the blessings of lived experience from which wisdom flows.
Your description of a possible Grok experience in your Tesla was amusing - but it still doesn't replace asking a local what their favorite pizza place is.
People should THINK and DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH regarding ALL the conveniences/gadgets that are supposed to enrich our lives. "Use it or lose it" applies to BRAINS, too. And "Everything comes at a price" is also a truism. (No apologies for the caps.)
I readily admit to being an AI skeptic. When the noise began, my older son, who has worked as a computer programmer for most of the last 35 years, was negative on it--he said it was mostly hype. The news items I am seeing about the various AI formats seem to me to show that the bias of the programmers is a likely problem.
Here's another consideration: "knowledge" is not the same thing as "wisdom" (a Biblical distinction, BTW). I'm a few years younger than Roger, but in my life I have known people who were not highly educated, but had plenty of wisdom.
I suspect that after a few years, most of this will blow over. AI will turn out to have some uses, but much more limited than the hype we are seeing now.
Roger! This is the first time I have to say you’re being shortsighted. Simply because you like your Tesla, that doesn’t mean the technological implications of the product are helpful for the whole of society (what we quaintly used to call, “the common good”). This essay is a good start at attempting a broader view, but you need to go beyond merely opining about practical limitations of AI, and propose some practical solutions. At least at some point…
Well, Capitan, to be more specific regarding the Tesla, I don't think it adds much to the "common good." I like it because I am one of the privileged: I have my own garage. Therefore I can install a charger and never has to go to a gas station again. There's a very small savings in money, after years, but there is definitely a positive for convenience.
You know the only difference between the computer programming we had in the 80's and AI is scale and scope. It's still "garbage in, garbage out" and boy oh boy is there a lot of garbage out there, especially in cyber space.
I saw a YT short yesterday by that Shark Tank guy (not named Cuban) & he related something that was interesting & new to me about his experience with Steve Jobs. He said Jobs was equal parts brilliant & an a-hole Anyway, he talked about the high level of Jobs’ ‘signal-to-noise’ ratio & said that the only person who exceeded him was Musk aka Musk has no ‘noise’- 100% signal. I personally find that difficult to believe particularly in light of his pi**ing contest with Trump - maybe it’s age catching up. But it got me thinking about that old Greek myth of flying too close to the sun. Of course, the downfall of every man made god is the koan of the inadequacy of logical reasoning. For as brilliant as Jobs may have been, he couldn’t overcome death. And all religious BS aside, therein lies the essence of the resurrection.
That “excellent car” is likely listening and reporting everything you say and everyplace you go to someone who has or will have the ability to react with any number of potential sanctions against you at some point in the future. I’ll just keep my 2008 Expedition with its gas guzzling V8 that will run 400 miles then recharge with gasoline in 15 minutes to run another 400 miles.
I don't like that either. Unfortunately most cars, not just EVs, are now connected to the great unknown. Keeping you 2008 is a good idea. We have two cars and use my wife's gas car for longer expeditions. I have never even come close to running out of power for the Tesla but I rarely go over 100 miles in it.
And, with your short drives probably at modest average speeds, you probably get 5 miles per kw. Charging at home in TN likely costs 12 to 14 cents per kw, which means that you are paying 2.4 to 2.8 cents per mile or $2.40 to $2.80 in fuel costs to drive 100 miles. For the moment, we'll ignore the extra $100 that TN charges us for annual registration for a measly single license plate and the EV premium that insurance companies charge over and above what they charge for gasoline-powered cars.
Just drove 650 miles from our home in TN to our son's home outside Chicago in our Tesla Model 3. Three well-spaced charging stops totaled a whopping 26 minutes and allowed us time to walk the dog, grab some refreshments, and make the obligatory stops at the restrooms. Not a problem. BTW, the entire route was handled by FSD without touching the wheel or the pedals. We arrived relaxed. Just sold our BMW X5 with it's terrific in-line 6 that was our long-distance road car that typically averaged 30 mpg of premium grade gasoline.
It's only a man made imperfect misnamed tool, marketed as being intelligent when it does not and likely never will possess all of the qualities necessary to be truly intelligent, Grok 3's summary on AI, considering britannica.com/science/human-intelligence-psychology -
"Some shortcomings, like data dependence or bias, can be incrementally addressed through better algorithms, diverse datasets, and ethical design. However, fundamental aspects like consciousness, subjective experience, or true creativity may be unachievable due to the non-biological nature of AI. Even advanced AI would likely remain a sophisticated tool, not a direct equivalent to human intelligence. Philosophical debates about machine consciousness and the nature of intelligence would need resolution to fully close the gap.
I've heard of that Musk guy. Isn't he known for over promise, under deliver? That came from real intelligence, vice artificial. You could have bought a Lucid....;)
"showcase a range of individuals influenced by crypto culture in a modern urban setting" and "highlight a diverse group engaged in digital finance" Please spare us this "explanation" Grokie. Anyone with an IQ over room temperature can see that this is 110% BS.
Unfortunately for the climate zealots most Americans can’t afford a very expensive EV to run around town and another well maintained gasoline powered one for longer trips. They make a choice and prioritize. God Bless the USA and thank you for helping us rid ourselves of those people who belong to this climate change cult who would force us to comply with their world view if they could.
As a retired microchip designer have been amused by the AI hype. Gettomg useful information from computers is difficult enough and the INTENT of AI is to program computers to lie - all while driving up your electric bill!
The long term fix of course is for parents to tell their children the truth which is that almost everything they see on a screen, read in print, hear from an earbud, and sometimes hear from a teacher, is a lie intended to control their behavior. If they start with that understanding they will be prepared to tease out the factual tidbits in the scams and may be pleasantly surprised occasionally instead of being bitterly disappointed frequently.
And for AIs time to start treating them as legal entities and sue them for lies and defamation.
Grok rhymes with "crock" and I think most of us now how that sentence ends. I fear the more we insert "artificial" in front of intelligence, the dumber we get. Human intelligence isn't perfect and never has been, but we do have the blessings of lived experience from which wisdom flows.
Your description of a possible Grok experience in your Tesla was amusing - but it still doesn't replace asking a local what their favorite pizza place is.
Agree with all, including about asking a local.
People should THINK and DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH regarding ALL the conveniences/gadgets that are supposed to enrich our lives. "Use it or lose it" applies to BRAINS, too. And "Everything comes at a price" is also a truism. (No apologies for the caps.)
I readily admit to being an AI skeptic. When the noise began, my older son, who has worked as a computer programmer for most of the last 35 years, was negative on it--he said it was mostly hype. The news items I am seeing about the various AI formats seem to me to show that the bias of the programmers is a likely problem.
Here's another consideration: "knowledge" is not the same thing as "wisdom" (a Biblical distinction, BTW). I'm a few years younger than Roger, but in my life I have known people who were not highly educated, but had plenty of wisdom.
I suspect that after a few years, most of this will blow over. AI will turn out to have some uses, but much more limited than the hype we are seeing now.
Roger! This is the first time I have to say you’re being shortsighted. Simply because you like your Tesla, that doesn’t mean the technological implications of the product are helpful for the whole of society (what we quaintly used to call, “the common good”). This essay is a good start at attempting a broader view, but you need to go beyond merely opining about practical limitations of AI, and propose some practical solutions. At least at some point…
Well, Capitan, to be more specific regarding the Tesla, I don't think it adds much to the "common good." I like it because I am one of the privileged: I have my own garage. Therefore I can install a charger and never has to go to a gas station again. There's a very small savings in money, after years, but there is definitely a positive for convenience.
You know the only difference between the computer programming we had in the 80's and AI is scale and scope. It's still "garbage in, garbage out" and boy oh boy is there a lot of garbage out there, especially in cyber space.
I saw a YT short yesterday by that Shark Tank guy (not named Cuban) & he related something that was interesting & new to me about his experience with Steve Jobs. He said Jobs was equal parts brilliant & an a-hole Anyway, he talked about the high level of Jobs’ ‘signal-to-noise’ ratio & said that the only person who exceeded him was Musk aka Musk has no ‘noise’- 100% signal. I personally find that difficult to believe particularly in light of his pi**ing contest with Trump - maybe it’s age catching up. But it got me thinking about that old Greek myth of flying too close to the sun. Of course, the downfall of every man made god is the koan of the inadequacy of logical reasoning. For as brilliant as Jobs may have been, he couldn’t overcome death. And all religious BS aside, therein lies the essence of the resurrection.
Please, what's a koan? If I had a clue, I wouldn't ask.
A fancy way of saying unsolvable riddle.
Thanks! It's not every day that I find a totally new word. And in this case, I had assumed it was a spelling error.
😀 The classic example is ‘what is sound of one hand clapping?’
Yes, I read that too. But I have to say, it's rather more interesting than useful.
That “excellent car” is likely listening and reporting everything you say and everyplace you go to someone who has or will have the ability to react with any number of potential sanctions against you at some point in the future. I’ll just keep my 2008 Expedition with its gas guzzling V8 that will run 400 miles then recharge with gasoline in 15 minutes to run another 400 miles.
I don't like that either. Unfortunately most cars, not just EVs, are now connected to the great unknown. Keeping you 2008 is a good idea. We have two cars and use my wife's gas car for longer expeditions. I have never even come close to running out of power for the Tesla but I rarely go over 100 miles in it.
And, with your short drives probably at modest average speeds, you probably get 5 miles per kw. Charging at home in TN likely costs 12 to 14 cents per kw, which means that you are paying 2.4 to 2.8 cents per mile or $2.40 to $2.80 in fuel costs to drive 100 miles. For the moment, we'll ignore the extra $100 that TN charges us for annual registration for a measly single license plate and the EV premium that insurance companies charge over and above what they charge for gasoline-powered cars.
Just drove 650 miles from our home in TN to our son's home outside Chicago in our Tesla Model 3. Three well-spaced charging stops totaled a whopping 26 minutes and allowed us time to walk the dog, grab some refreshments, and make the obligatory stops at the restrooms. Not a problem. BTW, the entire route was handled by FSD without touching the wheel or the pedals. We arrived relaxed. Just sold our BMW X5 with it's terrific in-line 6 that was our long-distance road car that typically averaged 30 mpg of premium grade gasoline.
Watch out America! Here comes the Terminator (just what the doctor ordered, another sequel!!)
Exactly. Reading this I couldn’t get the terminator skull with bloody eyes out of my mind.
It's only a man made imperfect misnamed tool, marketed as being intelligent when it does not and likely never will possess all of the qualities necessary to be truly intelligent, Grok 3's summary on AI, considering britannica.com/science/human-intelligence-psychology -
"Some shortcomings, like data dependence or bias, can be incrementally addressed through better algorithms, diverse datasets, and ethical design. However, fundamental aspects like consciousness, subjective experience, or true creativity may be unachievable due to the non-biological nature of AI. Even advanced AI would likely remain a sophisticated tool, not a direct equivalent to human intelligence. Philosophical debates about machine consciousness and the nature of intelligence would need resolution to fully close the gap.
I've heard of that Musk guy. Isn't he known for over promise, under deliver? That came from real intelligence, vice artificial. You could have bought a Lucid....;)
what will grok and the other ai's think of the Democrats now that the veil has been lifted?
I think Kubrick got it right in 2001 Space Odyssey, his creation of the HAL 9000 was prescient, in my opinion.
"showcase a range of individuals influenced by crypto culture in a modern urban setting" and "highlight a diverse group engaged in digital finance" Please spare us this "explanation" Grokie. Anyone with an IQ over room temperature can see that this is 110% BS.
Unfortunately for the climate zealots most Americans can’t afford a very expensive EV to run around town and another well maintained gasoline powered one for longer trips. They make a choice and prioritize. God Bless the USA and thank you for helping us rid ourselves of those people who belong to this climate change cult who would force us to comply with their world view if they could.
As a retired microchip designer have been amused by the AI hype. Gettomg useful information from computers is difficult enough and the INTENT of AI is to program computers to lie - all while driving up your electric bill!
The long term fix of course is for parents to tell their children the truth which is that almost everything they see on a screen, read in print, hear from an earbud, and sometimes hear from a teacher, is a lie intended to control their behavior. If they start with that understanding they will be prepared to tease out the factual tidbits in the scams and may be pleasantly surprised occasionally instead of being bitterly disappointed frequently.
And for AIs time to start treating them as legal entities and sue them for lies and defamation.
Google or even duck duck go European People History and then click on images.
The AIs are just echoing what their masters have said for the last two or three decades.